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Hi ADMB Developers,<br>
After seeing Arni's email about making improvements to the ADMB
manuals, I thought I'd add to the discussion the following comments
from Charlotte Boyd regarding ADMB-RE. <br>
<br>
I've never used ADMB-RE so I'm not really in a position to update
the FAQ to accurately reflect the current level of integration with
the rest of ADMB. Indeed, there are surely a variety of places where
the FAQ could use updating as ADMB evolves that I will fail to
notice. Therefore, this is really a plea to all of you to check over
the page <a href="http://admb-project.org/documentation/faq">http://admb-project.org/documentation/faq</a>
from time to time and look for things that are out of date. I will
happily make any suggested changes, or you can wade in and make the
changes yourself.<br>
<br>
-Ian<br>
<br>
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<td>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 17:17:24 -0800</td>
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<td>Charlotte Boyd <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:boydchar@u.washington.edu"><boydchar@u.washington.edu></a></td>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Hi
Ian </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I
hope all goes well in your new job? I’ve just installed ADMB
on a new computer and tried to compile an ADMB-RE tpl for the
first time. I spent all afternoon overcoming a very simple
problem, and thought perhaps it might be worth mentioning on
your (very useful) FAQs page – the latest ADMB and ADMB-RE
documentation was not particularly helpful, perhaps because
this is essentially a compiler issue. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Anyway
..</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Your
current FAQs mention that:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><span
style="font-size: 9pt; font-family:
"Verdana","sans-serif"; color: black;">An
extension of the language,</span></span><span
class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size: 9pt;
font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";
color: black;"> </span></span><span
class="highlightedsearchterm"><span style="font-size: 9pt;
font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";
color: black; background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% rgb(255,
255, 170);">ADMB</span></span><span class="apple-style-span"><span
style="font-size: 9pt; font-family:
"Verdana","sans-serif"; color: black;">-RE
is available for modeling random effects. </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><span
style="font-size: 9pt; font-family:
"Verdana","sans-serif"; color: black;"> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">It
would perhaps be worth mentioning that the necessary scripts
are incorporated into the installation packages on the
downloads page (at least they are for mingw) – i.e. there is
no need to download a separate script. Most of the current
documentation seems to imply a separate download, which I
think was the case in the past. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-family:
"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif"; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">The latest ADMB-RE user guide gives the
following guidance on how to compile a *.tpl with random
effects: </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-family:
"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif"; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;
font-family: "F16","sans-serif";">To
compile </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family:
"F125","sans-serif";">simple.tpl</span><span
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family:
"F16","sans-serif";">, we would, under
both platforms, give the command:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;
font-family: "F125","sans-serif";">$ admb
-r simple</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;
font-family: "F16","sans-serif";">Here, </span><span
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family:
"F125","sans-serif";">$ </span><span
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family:
"F16","sans-serif";">is the command line
prompt (which may be a di_erent symbol, or symbols, on your</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;
font-family: "F16","sans-serif";">computer),
and </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family:
"F125","sans-serif";">-r </span><span
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family:
"F16","sans-serif";">is an option telling
the program </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family:
"F125","sans-serif";">admb </span><span
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family:
"F16","sans-serif";">that your model
contains random</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family:
"F16","sans-serif";">e_ects.</span><span
style="font-family: "Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-family: "Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">At
least on my set up, this simply crashes the command window. I
finally got it to work by typing ‘makeadmre filename’, which I
haven’t used before, even when using mingw. Perhaps it would
be useful to mention in your FAQs for new users that different
set ups require different commands to compile, and that trying
a different command might solve compilation problems.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Hopefully
this is helpful – if not, please feel free to ignore.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">cheers</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Charlotte</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif"; color: rgb(49, 132, 155);">Charlotte
Boyd</span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif"; color: rgb(49, 132, 155);">School
of Aquatic and Fishery Sciences</span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif"; color: rgb(49, 132, 155);">University
of Washington</span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif"; color: rgb(49, 132, 155);">1122
NE Boat St Rm 116</span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif"; color: rgb(49, 132, 155);">Seattle
WA 98105</span></i></p>
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