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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 13-11-18 10:15 AM, Ian Taylor - NOAA
      Federal wrote:<br>
      <br>
      Thats crap.  This sounds like R cheerleading. <br>
      Group testing is to find subtle errors on different software
      installations.  <br>
      When the software has obviously never been tested at all there is
      a serious problem. <br>
      I've spent two days with<br>
      this stuff and have yet to produce a 100% working version.<br>
      <br>
      This stuff is filled with the stench of open source free software
      where since it is free no one seems to<br>
      feel a great obligation to ensure that it actually really works.<br>
      <br>
      If I download the source via svn and run the make with<br>
      <br>
      C:\admb>utilities/make      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
                                         <br>
      C:/admb/utilities/make --directory=src CC=gcc CXX=g++ all<br>
      make[1]: Entering directory `C:/admb/src'<br>
      svnversion .. > ../REVISION<br>
      make[1]: [revision] Error 1 (ignored)<br>
      rm -rf ../build/dist<br>
      make[1]: *** [dist] Error 1<br>
      make[1]: Leaving directory `C:/admb/src'<br>
      make: *** [g++-all] Error 2<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      So the make fails immediately.  This is because the directory
      /build/dist does not yet exist.<br>
      <br>
      It one runs<br>
      <br>
       utilites/make -i<br>
      <br>
      one can get farther.<br>
      <br>
      However there are other failures. In particular the scripting is
      too complicated. If you want to do<br>
      complicated scripting in windows go and read what the real
      professionals say.  What they say<br>
      is that you need to run the script on every version of windows
      because the cmd.exe <br>
      vary in strange ways.<br>
      <br>
      BTW I had all this working fine 10 years ago.<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
      one can get passed this.  <br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
    </div>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAOUH9r6VqJ4rF-gtiRHQqkury45BjAAgJLZu4OyB7M77Uw+UKw@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">Regarding "Doesn't anyone test this stuff?",
        Johnoel sent an email titled "Please test updated installation
        documentation." and a bunch of folks responded with the results
        of their tests. So the answer is "yes".
        <div>
          <br>
        </div>
        <div>However, I think the question should be whether the ADMB
          project should have a more formal testing process, with a set
          of designated testers? Probably so. I'm happy to be one of the
          testers, but it would be good to have a larger set.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>-Ian</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
      </div>
      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Jon
          Schnute <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:schnutej-dfo@shaw.ca" target="_blank">schnutej-dfo@shaw.ca</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Further
                    to my previous message, I have now tried the same
                    experiment using the version 11.1 source code,
                    rather than ADMB-latest. I discovered that this
                    version produces a much smaller Unix tree in the
                    directory ..\admb\utilities\mingw, so I used the
                    ..\mingw tree that I downloaded from the latest. (I
                    just replaced the 11.1 ..\mingw directory with the
                    new one obtained today.) Then I tried to make the
                    11.1 binary ADMB library as before, and again the
                    process failed while trying to compile ‘amoeba.cpp’.
                  </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Does
                    amoeba.cpp require something special? Are both of
                    you getting this same problem? I’m taking care to
                    ensure that nothing on my path would override the
                    Unix tools at ..\admb\utilities\mingw.</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Incidentally,
                    for step 5 I used ‘\utilities\make’ rather than
                    ‘make’ as stated in my previous message. On this
                    point, why do you use a possibly old version of
                    ‘make’ embedded in the ADMB source code, rather than
                    the version of ‘make’ that currently comes with
                    mingw/msys?</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">These
                    problems help illustrate the reasons that I flagged
                    this as an important issue. I’m not blaming anyone,
                    but I hope you’ll stay with this until the problems
                    are resolved.</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Jon</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">PS
                    – I really sympathize with Dave’s question: “Doesn't
                    anyone test this stuff?” I think the ADMB project
                    needs some volunteer testers who at least check each
                    new release on each OS. I’m trying to play that role
                    in this exercise, at least for the Windows OS.</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">PPS
                    – I wonder why the version of mingw that Dave
                    obtained yesterday worked, whereas the version
                    obtained with </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">get-mingw.bat
                    appears not to. </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                <div>
                  <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df
                    1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
                          lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
                        lang="EN-US"> Jon Schnute [mailto:<a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:schnutej-dfo@shaw.ca"
                          target="_blank">schnutej-dfo@shaw.ca</a>] <br>
                        <b>Sent:</b> November-16-13 4:28 PM<br>
                        <b>To:</b> 'Johnoel Ancheta'; 'dave fournier'<br>
                        <b>Cc:</b> 'ADMB Users'<br>
                        <b>Subject:</b> RE: [ADMB Users] Please test
                        updated installation documentation.</span></p>
                  </div>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <div class="h5">
                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Johnoel
                        and Dave - Thanks for the updated documentation.
                        I’ve tried to follow it carefully, starting with
                        the file admb-latest.zip obtained via your link:</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="http://www.admb-project.org/buildbot/snapshots/admb-latest.zip"
                          target="_blank">http://www.admb-project.org/buildbot/snapshots/admb-latest.zip</a></span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">From
                        this I manually extracted the ‘admb’ directory
                        tree to D:\Temp\admb. That’s essentially step
                        2,  where I’ve used a slightly different
                        directory than you suggested. I then used a
                        command window to install mingw:</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">D:\Temp\admb\>
                        utilities\get-mingw.bat</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">That
                        seemed to work fine, giving me a fully populated
                        tree at D:\Temp\admb\utilities\mingw.
                        Furthermore, I get g++ version 4.8.1 with the
                        command:</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">D:\Temp\admb\utilities\mingw\bin>g++
                        --version</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">g++
                        (GCC) 4.8.1</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I
                        presume this is a 32-bit compiler, right? Anyway
                        I’m now done with step 4.</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">To
                        implement step 5, I used the command:</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">D:\Temp\admb\make</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">This
                        seemed to be working nicely for a while  until
                        it failed suddenly while trying to compile the
                        file amoeba.cppp. Here is the final console of
                        information:</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">*****
                        Final screen</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">g++
                        -c -O3 -Wall -DSAFE_ALL -D__GNUDOS__ -Dlinux
                        -D__SPDLL__ -DUSE_LAPLACE -I..\</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">build\dist\include
                        -o..\build\objects\dist\saflp-linad99-vrannegbin.obj
                        linad99\</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">vrannegbin.cpp</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">g++
                        -c -O3 -Wall -DSAFE_ALL -D__GNUDOS__ -Dlinux
                        -D__SPDLL__ -DUSE_LAPLACE -I..\</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">build\dist\include
                        -o..\build\objects\dist\saflp-linad99-vregress.obj
                        linad99\vr</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">egress.cpp</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">g++
                        -c -O3 -Wall -DSAFE_ALL -D__GNUDOS__ -Dlinux
                        -D__SPDLL__ -DUSE_LAPLACE -I..\</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">build\dist\include
                        -o..\build\objects\dist\saflp-linad99-vspline.obj
                        linad99\vsp</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">line.cpp</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">g++
                        -c -O3 -Wall -DSAFE_ALL -D__GNUDOS__ -Dlinux
                        -D__SPDLL__ -DUSE_LAPLACE -I..\</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">build\dist\include
                        -o..\build\objects\dist\saflp-linad99-vtdev.obj
                        linad99\vtdev</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">.cpp</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">g++
                        -c -O3 -Wall -DSAFE_ALL -D__GNUDOS__ -Dlinux
                        -D__SPDLL__ -DUSE_LAPLACE -I..\</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">build\dist\include
                        -o..\build\objects\dist\saflp-linad99-xfmmtr1.obj
                        linad99\xfm</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">mtr1.cpp</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">g++
                        -c -O3 -Wall -DSAFE_ALL -D__GNUDOS__ -Dlinux
                        -D__SPDLL__ -DUSE_LAPLACE -I..\</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">build\dist\include
                        -o..\build\objects\dist\saflp-linad99-xgradclc.obj
                        linad99\xg</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">radclc.cpp</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">g++
                        -c -O3 -Wall -DOPT_LIB -D__GNUDOS__ -Dlinux
                        -D__SPDLL__ -DUSE_LAPLACE -I..\b</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">uild\dist\include
                        -o..\build\objects\dist\optlp-nh99-adsleep.obj
                        nh99\adsleep.cp</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">p</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">g++
                        -c -O3 -Wall -DOPT_LIB -D__GNUDOS__ -Dlinux
                        -D__SPDLL__ -DUSE_LAPLACE -I..\b</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">uild\dist\include
                        -o..\build\objects\dist\optlp-nh99-amoeba.obj
                        nh99\amoeba.cpp</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">process_begin:
                        CreateProcess(NULL, cat ../VERSION, ...) failed.</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">
                      <span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">*****
                        End of final screen</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">This
                        is a bit weird, perhaps the result of recent
                        changes to the source code. But rest assured
                        that I’m taking everything written by both of
                        you very seriously. I really appreciate your
                        efforts.</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Jon</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
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                          <b>On Behalf Of </b>Johnoel Ancheta<br>
                          <b>Sent:</b> November-16-13 12:04 PM<br>
                          <b>To:</b> dave fournier<br>
                          <b>Cc:</b> ADMB Users<br>
                          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [ADMB Users] Please test
                          updated installation documentation.</span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Ahh, thanks for the feedback.  I
                    assume that you are using</p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">Which failed at step 5</p>
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                          On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 9:55 AM, dave fournier
                          <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                          So then I installed the msys tools using the
                          installer at.  Note that I ONLY<br>
                          installed the tools since the comiler is
                          presumably already installed with Johnoel's<br>
                          commands.<br>
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                          put<br>
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                           c:\MinGW\msys\1.0\bin<br>
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                          on my path.<br>
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                          Check by  using commands like rm and cp.  OK
                          so far.</p>
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