# [ADMB Users] difference between ADMB-RE and R/mgcv in SEs for smoother coefficients in a GAM fitted by maximum likelihood

dave fournier davef at otter-rsch.com
Thu Nov 29 10:45:49 PST 2012

```There is also the question of the variance of what?  I was thinking of
the variance of the
random effect given the data. (At least I think I was thinking that.)
Another
way of looking at it is the variance of the estimate for the random
effect you would
get from a frquentist standpoint.   That means running the model over
and over with
data generated from the right probabilistic model.  From this point of
view the
correct answer is the variance of uhat(x) as generated from the delta
method.

To see this difference suppose the model is

f = square(x-10.) + 0.5*square(u(1));

Here 10 is one realization of the data.  Then uhat(x) =0 for every data
input so the variance of
uhat(x) is zero.

To incorporate this into the model I think it is sufficient to comment
out a line in getbigs.cpp
near line 141.

>  if (lapprox->hesstype !=2)
>     {
>       {
>         Suu-=minv;
>       }
>       else
>       {
>         //Suu+=minv;   // comment this out
>       }
>     }

```